r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/Movies contributor • 4h ago
Trailer Avengers: Doomsday | Only in Theaters December 18, 2026
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u/jk1784 4h ago
Steve, it’s time to retire
“No, no I don’t think I will”
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u/Grandpas_Spells 4h ago
Anthony Mackie: "What the shit?"
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u/BroughtBagLunchSmart 4h ago
"Whatever, I am having more fun on the set of Twisted Metal anyways"
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u/KaJaHa 3h ago
Twisted Metal is genuinely one of my all-time favorite video game adaptations, it is SO MUCH FUN
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u/ERedfieldh 3h ago
Typical Disney. Something didn't work so they throw the entire concept in the trash instead of trying to figure out why it didn't work.
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u/Mongoose42 3h ago
To be fair, that’s how it is in the comics. There’s a lot of characters sharing the same hero identity running around in the same world right now.
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u/PolarWater 3h ago
Steve Rogers barging into the movie and seeing all the other characters who were built up during Phases 4 and 5:
"You know what? Eat shit. Eat shit, eat shit, eat shit. Eat shit, eat shit ... DEFINITELY eat shit."
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u/PayneTrain181999 4h ago
Steve didn’t die or anything, so technically this is fine.
I just hope they don’t ruin his lovely ending in Endgame.
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u/ZeroSora 4h ago
My guess is that this is Steve living in the past with Peggy. And due to time travel, will end up back in the future to fight Doom. Secret Wars happens. Then he goes back to the past to Peggy and his child. Grows old. Then his scene in Endgame takes place.
Maybe that's why he's so sure Sam will be a great Captain America, because he saw it in the future during the events of Doom and Secret Wars?
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u/Grandpas_Spells 4h ago
Steve asks Howard Stark to babysit, never returns, and Howard raises Steve's son Tony as his own.
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u/ZeroSora 4h ago
Get out.
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u/Eltex 4h ago
That is a totally different movie…
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u/garyflopper 4h ago
Nope?
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u/igloofu 3h ago
That too, is another movie.
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u/probablyuntrue 4h ago
They’ll keep bringing him back till Chris Evan’s is dead
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u/KillerPalm 4h ago
Till he actually looks like Old Man Cap.
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u/AthasDuneWalker 4h ago
"'Til you're NINETY!"
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u/probablyuntrue 4h ago
This dehydration and steroids and healthy for you gramps don’t think too hard about it
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u/Shmack_u 4h ago
Hes going to go through the events of doomsday and secret wars, witness Sam do something that truly makes him deserving of being captain america (without a shadow of a doubt type situation) then go back in time to the ending of endgame and give sam the shield. Ending for endgame still matters, yet still progresses the story to where we are in doomsday with Steve. No idea of that what’s actually going to happen
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u/Comic_Book_Reader 4h ago edited 4h ago
Guess they figured "Fuck it. Whatever it takes.".
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u/-asimpleboy 4h ago
You could not live with your own failure
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u/Comic_Book_Reader 4h ago
And where did that bring you?
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u/Kat-but-SFW 4h ago
Back to America's Ass
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u/Ron-Swanson-Mustache 3h ago
I thought by eliminating half of Phase 1's characters, the other half would thrive.
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u/Banned3rdTimesaCharm 4h ago
Literally spent 6 years trying to do this whole other thing then said fuck it, bring everyone back.
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u/IWasSayingBoourner 4h ago
No, the problem is that they spent 6 years trying to do 100 other things. The cohesion and pacing are what made the build up to Endgame work. They got greedy with the TV shows, and trying to build up to movies that would require people to watch hundreds of hours of middling TV on a subscription service was never going to work.
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u/ERedfieldh 3h ago
You're not wrong, but you're also disagreeing with someone who is, at their core, agreeing with you. Your "no, this" is kinda pointless. It's not "no" it's "also".
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u/Tinman057 3h ago
They could have started their comment with “Yeah” and it would have worked even better. Maybe the appeal to disagree is that strong.
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u/Durpulous 2h ago
It's a big pet peeve of mine when people start their comment with "no" then proceed to say something that doesn't in any way disagree with or contradict who they're replying to. Or even worse like in this case when he restated the same basic point, just with more words.
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u/br0b1wan 2h ago
Part of the problem for me was that they used S1 Loki to set up Kang, the next "Thanos" level villain. I really liked what I saw from him. Then the actor came out to be a giant POS and Disney dropped him like a hot potato. Then they panicked. Instead of casting literally anyone else as Kang and just claiming it was different Kang from the infinite multiverse, they went out and threw all the money to bring RDJ back...as a completely different character. It just seems lazy and reactive and breaks the immeersion for me.
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u/Supergamera 2h ago
Revealing that the woman he had put in leadership at the TVA was a female Kang would have been an easy alternative.
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u/jyeckled 1h ago
The problem is that they shot themselves in the foot by showing literally every Kang as Majors in Ant-Man. Granted, they could’ve used the excuse of “who watched Ant-Man anyway?”.
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u/AnOnlineHandle 3h ago
And had no oversight to make sure any of it fit together and felt cohesive or worth getting invested in as a franchise story. People celebrated when Feige got complete control of Marvel, but I remember seeing something about how that meant the story group was kicked out who oversaw that everything fit together, and since then it's been a mess of contradictions and different visions and established rules.
There's been like 6 different multiverses and rules for how they supposedly work now. None of it means anything. I have no expectation that the next movie will coherently continue any of it.
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u/dracogladio1741 4h ago
Probably be downvoted but this feels like they are undoing the whole lead up to Endgame and the preceeding events.
Sigh.
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u/C-C-X-V-I 4h ago
So comics being comics?
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u/ApophisDayParade 4h ago edited 3h ago
American comic market not letting itself escape from its past so it’s doomed to eternally be superhero comics with the same characters dying and coming back time and time again? Checks out.
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u/MasterChiefsasshole 3h ago
Goes along with the traditional of never killing the bad guy so that the same bad guy can keep coming back to murder people because some how killing the bad guy is the evil option.
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u/Duckney 4h ago
I was never a diehard marvel fan but this has been the biggest hurdle for me.
What are the stakes? Guy dies - nope sorry he's alive in a different multiverse so he's back. Doesn't this invalidate what they were trying to do with the Thunderbolts, too? So the new avengers are actually just the old avengers again?
It just feels like they lost all direction after Endgame.
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u/thelordreptar90 4h ago
I think the rocky post-Endgame start completely screwed whatever plans they had coupled with COVID, writers strike, and Majors controversy
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u/Lunares 3h ago
And Chadwick Boseman dying. He was going to be a lynchpin.
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u/irsw 3h ago
I agree. They had a perfect centerpiece moving forward. Then they had a great villain lined up with Majors and everything that happened there.
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u/Few_Masterpiece7604 3h ago
Marvel get shit on a lot (some of it definitely deserved) but they have been dealt a pretty shit hand for trying to carry on with a cinematic universe. Next big villains actor is a cunt, Sony starts being weird about spiderman, one of the characters they were building up to be the next Cap/Stark (Black Panther) actor dies, the other character they were building up isn't popular and attempt to work with her is immediately going to be undermined because of culture war bullshit even if they fix any of the issues the character has, COVID and writers strike. I'm sure there are others that are missing
Marvel have definitely shit the bed with some things (the tv-movie integration did not work, the writing for half of the post end-game movies was pretty bad, they were doing too much too fast) but I think people willfully pretend to ignore the problems that have affected the studio.
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u/DMaury1969 3h ago
The concept of a multiverse is what’s killed all Marvel for me. As soon as it was introduced it took away the stakes.
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u/SekhWork 3h ago
Bigger issue is them never using it in a proper way. They never used it to recast a character with a new actor. They never really pushed some extreme What-If scenarios except in the cartoon, etc. The whole "multiverse" doesn't even feel like they've addressed the core concept of it much at all.
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u/DrJackadoodle 3h ago
I hate universes that aren't inherently about multiverses adding that concept. It's a cool idea if the property is about exploring that idea (e.g. Everything Everywhere All At Once or Rick and Morty), but Marvel and DC stories work just fine as standalones without it. When it gets added in it just becomes needlessly confusing and less impactful for me.
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u/mrnicegy26 4h ago
With Star Wars being an uncertain bet at theaters, WDAS and Pixar floundering in their non sequel films, live action remakes being mixed financially and no new MCU superheroes being a hit, Disney is certainly desperate for hits.
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u/TheWhereHouse6920 4h ago edited 3h ago
Yup Disney is DESPERATE
I just want to add, this isn't just a Disney issue. Every major brand is in this weird phase of making everything terrible.
From video games to movies it just seems like these mega corporations. Just want to alienate everyone except the people who want to blindly give them money. That's why we're seeing so many independent video games and movie studios succeed because they're not answering the shareholders
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u/delkarnu 3h ago
Like WB Games:
Should we make any games with our popular Justice League heroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, etc.
Nah, let's just make more Batman games
Ok, but not actually with Batman, we'll kill him off and make Batman-less Batman games
Can they be live service? Those will never fail!A decade since Arkham Knight and a new Lego Batman is the best we're going to get out of all of DC?
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u/ChildofValhalla 1h ago
Remember when Hogwarts Legacy did big numbers and then they announced they're going to focus on live service games? lmao
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u/UnknownChaser 4h ago
Will Johnny storm return as well?
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u/sentence-interruptio 3h ago
plot twist. the trailer is showing Curtis from Snowpiercer. He knows babies taste best.
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u/DavidsSymphony 3h ago
And I'll tell you who her is; Cassandra Nova - a megalomaniacal psychotic asshole, a finger-licking dead inside pixie slab, a third rate dime store nut milk, and I'll tell you what she can do, she can lick my goddamn cinnamon ring clean and kick rocks all the way to bald hell. In fact, I don't give a shit if she removes all my skin and pops me like some nightmarish blood balloon if the last thing I do in this godforsaken cum gutter existence is light that fuck box on fire I still won't die happy. That's right Wade, I won't be happy until I've urinated on her freshly barbecued corpse and husk fucked the charred remains while gargling Juggernaut's Jugger Nuts, and you can quote me
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u/Upbeat_Tension_8077 4h ago
I'm curious to see what the hell a first glimpse of RDJ's Doctor Doom character could look like if that'll be also teased
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u/Affectionate_Owl_619 4h ago
100% it will be. They barely hold anything back from trailers anymore. I was shocked that Tobey and Garfield weren’t front and center for marketing of the last Spider-Man movie
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u/fortuna264 4h ago
The whole mystery of "will they be on it?" actually helped to sell a lot of tickets, so that's why they hold it til the premiere.
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u/Tocketsv 3h ago
I still cant help but laugh when watching one of the No Way Home's trailers and seeing The Lizard just eat a punch mid air by invisible force
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u/lostmyfucksinthewar 4h ago
I think we just did. At least, him as a baby. (Fuck a tinfoil hat, I'm wearing a tinfoil morphsuit with this one)
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u/ContinuumGuy 4h ago
"Fuck it, it leaked all over anyway, just put it up."
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u/MiopTop 4h ago
They’re uploading it now because they’re about to roll to the 2nd teaser in theatres. They’ll upload that one in a week when they switch to the 3rd etc
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u/MuptonBossman 4h ago
Marvel really spent the last 5 years trying to establish Anthony Mackie as the new Captain America, only for them to say "Just Kidding" and bring back Chris Evans for the next big event movie.
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u/swiftlikessharpthing 4h ago
I mean that's what they've done in the comics several times now with both Sam and Bucky.
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u/PayneTrain181999 4h ago
Yeah, there’s a panel where Steve literally says he’s just Steve now and Sam is Captain America.
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u/Whitewind617 4h ago
That's probably what they are doing there too.
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u/makomirocket 4h ago
It is. Other than Tony Stark in Iron Man 3, everyone else got a "Superhero name will return" end line. Including Captain America.
This time, they explicitly chose to say "Steve Rogers will return"
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u/Matches_Malone83 3h ago
Calling it now, they're going to win an Oscar for the original song "I'm Just Steve".
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u/Asclepius-Rod 4h ago
I would have loved to see Bucky take the mantle in the MCU
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u/PayneTrain181999 4h ago
I prefer him being the chaperone for a bunch of depressed lunatics. They have a great dynamic.
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 4h ago
I’m glad that we’re getting all the Thunderbolts again. I wish that movie had performed better so they could be a bigger selling point
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u/KNZFive 4h ago
Choosing the director of Thunderbolts to direct X-Men was a great choice.
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u/nilesh11panchal 4h ago
Yes I agree! This would have been amazing because Bucky is such a flawed character, him struggling to live up to the name while learning to live with his troubled past would've been interesting. Plus Bucky is written 100 times better than Sam.
I do feel bad that it's not his fault, the way he was written, the tv show and terrible movie is what got Disney to revert back. He needed the super solider serum to start.
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u/greenpill98 4h ago
Everyone who read the comics where Marvel tried the same thing knew this was coming. Sam Wilson as Captain America didn't work then. They were fooling themselves to think it would work now.
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u/unitedfan6191 4h ago
I don’t think they actually thought it would work with Sam Wilson as Captain America. I think they just knew Chris Evans was getting tired of playing the role and his contract was coming up so went with Sam Wilson largely out of necessity.
If Evans had signed one for more movies, I don’t think Marvel would’ve said “no.”
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u/greenpill98 4h ago
The original plan had been to make Bucky the next Captain America, and you can see that when you go back and look at the films leading up to Endgame. And, like in the comics, that might have worked for a little while if the writing had been clever enough. But in the end, they would probably have had to return to the Steve Rogers well no matter what, just like the comics did.
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u/circio 4h ago
Bucky as Cap was really fun. I think Sam Cap has interesting stories to tell but I don’t think Marvel could ever give them the attention they deserve. They had a great b story in Brave New World but didn’t focus on it too much, I’m assuming because it would be too political
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u/twaggle 3h ago
I just can’t see Sam cap as believable unless he somehow gets the serum. Like he can’t catch the shied bare handed it’s dumb.
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u/circio 3h ago
I thought the end of Falcon and Winter Soldier was the Wakandans gifting him a suit, which could have made him competitive in the big fights for a bit.
But then I saw the movie and found out they cheaped out a little and just gave him a helmet and wings?
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u/votemarvel 3h ago
That's where I think the MCU has messed up. They jumped to the current comics version of the characters and cut out decades of potential stories.
Why jump straight to the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel for example when Monica Rambeau used the title before her, not to mention cutting out Phyla & Genis Vell and Noh-Varr. All Captain Marvel before Carol.
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u/Dazzling-One-9185 4h ago
Well he got an entire show and a solo movie that nobody liked, what would you expect?
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u/RandomJPG6 4h ago
I liked the show up until the last episode. Movie was not great though
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u/ArchDucky 4h ago
The show was ok but it had so much dumb shit in it. Like the money troubles, the boat montages, what they did to Peggy's niece... etc.
In all honestly the terrorists should have been slaughtered after Wyatt got powers. He should of literally killed all of them. Then it would be Sam and Buck vs Cap.
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u/Megaclone18 4h ago
To be fair the comics have also struggled with this.
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 4h ago
Yeah everything about the MCU just feels more and more like it’s reflecting the comics, for better or worse. Bringing back characters, failing to establish new characters, wacky multiverse adventures, lack of serious continuity in some cases
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u/hadriker 4h ago
Its pretty rare that legacy characters become just as or more popular then the originals.
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u/guyhabit725 4h ago
Did you see the last Captain America? Oof
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u/SanDiegoDude 2h ago
Watched it on a plane. Fell asleep for some of it. It was terrible.
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u/Slendercan 4h ago
Not an ounce of cinematic oomph to this. It’s shot like an insurance commercial
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u/Welcome_2_Pandora 3h ago
More like a Triumph ad
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u/staners09 3h ago
Captain america on an English bike, Harley & Indian must be spitting chips!
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u/ConstantSignal 2h ago
It tracks, we know Steve likes riding English models.
He even went back in time to marry one.
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u/not-so-radical 3h ago
That's what you get from visionary directors Joe and the other one Russo
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u/Ruthlessrabbd 3h ago
You could immediately tell in the post credits scene of Fantastic Four that the Russos directed the scene, and same for the Thunderbolts post credits scene. I love their work on Community and Arrested Development, really liked Infinity War and Endgame, but the last three movies they've directed seem to be stinkers.
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u/AmbitiousSuit5349 4h ago
All I think about with this movie is Alan Cummings saying he did the entire movie in isolation, not even knowing who he was acting with half the time.
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u/helloiamabear 3h ago
This is why Gwyneth Paltrow didn't know she was in Spiderman during that infamous clip. Her scene got filmed in almost total isolation and secrecy. They may not have even told her what movie it was going to wind up in when they shot it.
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u/SlamMasterJ 2h ago
I remember laughing at the fact that Jon Favreau was trying so hard to remind her that she was in Spiderman, just for Paltrow to have zero recollection of it.
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u/thatsnotourdino 3h ago
Given Evans, Hemsworth, and RDJ are apparently the three main characters after all, and the million other people still confirmed to be in the movie, I suspect Cummings has an incredibly minor role anyway.
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u/HeroscaperGuy 3h ago
I mean even as a nightcrawler fan, I don't think he would be doing much in this movie. He's not the most popular X-Men character, but I mean everyone not named wolverine can't seem to hold a candle to that.
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u/Darkhawk2099 4h ago
sounds like Ian McKellen suffering through The Hobbit. and we know how well that turned out.
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u/BagZCubed 3h ago edited 1h ago
Apparently, he had a better time on the set of this once since he was with Patrick Stewart. I think some of the X-Men stuff was filmed together since there was a picture of James Marsden and Ian McKellen on set in costume.
Of course, that's only one part and we have no idea how much anyone filmed together except for a few BTS shots.
Edit: I'm being told those pictures were fake, so now I really don't know who filmed what.
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u/Chomp112 4h ago
Personally I'm disappointed by this. Endgame gave Steve the perfect ending. It really feels like they've brought him back purely because they've ran out of new ideas.
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u/invertedpurple 3h ago
Disney ran out of new ideas? Disney, the acquisition company?
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u/Keiteaea 3h ago
Yes, they were supposed to leave the place to new avengers, but they still go back to the OG. Which, I get, they sell. But also, this might contribute to new characters not managing to find their place in the universe.
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u/CompetitiveSport1 3h ago
Also, new ideas don't sell well. Almost all of the biggest films this year, particularly Lilo and stitch, are rehashes. I haven't seen the latest avatar yet, but the reviews are saying that just like the second one, it's just a rehash of the same story.
Even the most popular MCU movies since endgame were a spider-man movie about all the previous characters and a Deadpool movie that was mostly fan service, and they both did bonkers well
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u/omikias 4h ago
First we got RDJ, now Chris Evans. Man, we're just gonna ignore Endgame huh?
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u/_JimJohnny_ 4h ago
Justice for Agent Coulson
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u/TheIllogicalSandwich 4h ago
Don't worry, he went to Tahiti. It's a magical place.
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u/Amaruq93 4h ago
Given all the timey wimey multiversal bullshit going on, one would hope Coulson or Daisy shows up in this.
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u/quete27 3h ago
I want Fitzsimmons to cameo
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u/Chimp_Force_One 3h ago
I'd be happy with a name drop, imo. They went through way more shit than Steve and Peggy. Let them be happy!
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u/fireandiceofsong 4h ago
Allegedly they're trying to make this a direct sequel to Endgame. As in you can just jump straight in from the last Avengers movie to the next one.
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u/PaulieHehehe 4h ago
Good, cause the only Marvel movies I’ve seen since Endgame are No Way Home and Dr. Strange 2.
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u/PayneTrain181999 4h ago
Guardians 3 and Thunderbolts are definitely worth your time.
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u/SolidSnek1998 4h ago
Guardians 3 was fantastic, way better than 2.
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u/12InchCunt 4h ago
Except for the tears
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u/ApolloX-2 3h ago
I was surprised by how much I liked Thunderbolts. I wish it did better in theaters so we could see that team again.
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u/PayneTrain181999 4h ago
The opposite. Market it as an Endgame sequel to win the casuals back.
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u/GamingTatertot Steven Spielberg Enthusiast 4h ago
And they’re re-releasing Endgame in September. I think Doomsday is gonna be a lot more of a direct sequel to Endgame
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u/CavitySearch 4h ago
I mean tbf that was always an annoying thing about opening up the multiverse concept. Anybody can be replaced either as a character or as the actor. Deaths are pretty meaningless once you have access to “infinite” other dimensions. I always thought it was the wrong way to go after endgame but they haven’t shown honestly that anything else they were thinking was any better.
In regards to this I think seeing happy cappy is nice but they already did the kids and family route with Tony so I don’t know how they avoid the retread here.
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u/shit-takes-only 4h ago
This is the least hype first teaser possible
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u/TheCornjuring 2h ago
They should’ve done an actual little sizzle reel for the movie and ended it with a shot of Steve. The way they did it just feels desperate.
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u/Sherm199 1h ago
The movie is a year out. Would've been better if they just didn't release anything and waited till a proper trailer was ready.
Feels more like they really wanted something running this holiday season to promote the movie, but didn't have something more done ready
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u/Eddie__Sherman 4h ago
Just give me X-men and Ghost Rider.
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u/redheards 3h ago
Or blade! I would love to see him come back. So much potential in the marvel universe just to keep giving us the avengers or Spiderman.
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u/KeremyJyles 3h ago
Why does he look so...fake?
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u/everburn_blade_619 1h ago
Looks like a lot of makeup and CG corrections to take away the 6 years of aging since he was last in a Marvel movie combined with a "this is the past" color filter. Not that he looks old now or anything, he's only 44. Just older than he was the last time he was Steve Rogers.
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u/Yojo0o 4h ago
Steve's sendoff in Endgame was one of the most satisfying ways to write out a major character of anything I've experienced. Same with Tony.
This doesn't feel right.
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u/InternaI_Cobbler 3h ago
It doesn't feel right, it feels desperate. Personally I still have Marvel fatigue. I love the Infinity Saga. Beginning and End. Boom. Done. Perfect.
I don't need or want anymore.
But I'm definitely in the minority and this movie will be huge. I'm sure I'll check it out eventually but I'm personally not rushing to the theater to watch it.
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u/AllCity_King 4h ago
Poor Anthony Mackie lmao
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u/Lmao1903 3h ago
Aside from the fact that he was not given good enough material, I think he kind of lacks the charisma that Chris Evans had. His Captain America was just so boring, they tried to make him this perfect, always tries to do the good thing, see he is just like Steve Rogers thing but it just didn't work imo, he just ended up being boring. Maybe if they did a better job he would be better but they couldn't
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u/Reggaeton_Historian 2h ago
Anthony Mackie is better served as a wise-cracking and let loose kinda guy but they tried to put him in the Steve Rogers box as a character. That's not who he is.
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u/jaiwithani 2h ago
They made Steve interesting by forcing an idealist to confront a less idealistic world. This is why Winter Soldier is the best Cap movie: it most directly challenges the core of his character.
They never bothered giving Sam a strong characterization/motivation, so it wasn't even clear what they would challenge or how they would go about it. There was a foundation they could have built on: he was first introduced helping combat veterans adjust to civilian life. They could have built on this and made Sam a warrior who fully comprehends the horrors of war and will do whatever it takes to protect people from it (setting up an interesting contrast with "don't try to win a war before it starts" Steve).
Instead his show had him go from "doesn't really want to be Captain America" to "accepts being Captain America".
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u/cmerchantii 1h ago
Glad to see someone say this. Really highlighted the missed opportunity with Mackie’s Captain America.
He’s just not funny or interesting or cool as “I’m gonna be Steve Rogers except black” and making him his own independent character seems like something they started and then got bored of.
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u/JokerJangles123 4h ago
As someone who grew up with comic books, and was 100% into this entire universe from the beginning, its depressing just how much I don't give a shit about this anymore.
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u/Mustang-22 4h ago
What you can't keep up with the 60+ full-length movies they've released in the past 15 years? What about the dozens of canon TV shows on Disney+ /s
It's exhausting to even think about all the stuff I'd need to catch up on in the "universe" I can't even be bothered
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u/smakweasle 3h ago
I could be bothered if it had any heart or quality. There are so many squandered opportunities in just the films: Ant Man 3, Thor 4, Dr. Strange 2, Eternals, Black Widow, The marvels, Captain America 4, Fantastic Four.
Adding in 6-10 hours of an undercooked tv series doesn't help.
Instead I'll go back to watching the Wire for the umpteenth time.
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u/johnshall 4h ago
It's exactly the same reason you stop reading comic books.
This things are cyclical, more teenagers have to come to age to get interested. As and adult you just see the big cash grab, who cares about Marvel anymore. it's just cheap shots to sell more. Even Secret Wars in the comics or Infinity Gauntlet and every tie in is designed just to sell more comics.
After few rinse and repeats any normal adult goes on with their life.
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u/Wr3117 4h ago
God they’re desperate
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u/00nonsense 4h ago
I mean how bad they fucked up phase 4 and 5, yeah they’re pretty desperate
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u/fastballspecial 4h ago
Way too many mistakes. Spread themselves too thin without much character development. They had the winning formula and pissed it all away.
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u/PaulieHehehe 4h ago
COVID gave them the perfect out to put pause on everything and let Endgame sit for a few years. Build up hype after a few years away and boom, everyone is happy. Well, except the Disney investors.
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u/fastballspecial 4h ago
Didn't even need a few years, honestly. They needed three important pillars to build on. Instead they had like a dozen rotting tree stumps.
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u/TheUmbrellaMan1 4h ago
Next level desperation lol. They've paid RDJ $100 million and the Russo brothers $80 million for returning. Just imagine what the return fee of Chris Evans and Chris Hemsworth must be. Now try to imagine the budget of these movies.
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u/CarsonWentzGOAT1 4h ago
Deadpool and wolverine production costs without marketing was 534 million. This movie will cost 800 million at the minimum (not including marketing).
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u/NinjaInTheAttic 4h ago
Yup. Ironman and Cap both had great endings, especially Ironman's, and they took that away from them because Marvel has no idea how to step away from the multiverse bullshit.
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u/mobamac 4h ago
God forbid there’s any surprises in the theatre. Wouldn’t want anyone to have a heart attack !
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u/EYazz 4h ago
Marvel and Disney are so spineless to do this. No doubt Dr Doom will be a Tony Stark variant to bring him back too.
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u/csqur 4h ago
Chris Evans has spent the last 6 months walking around shredded and claiming he's happily retired from the role.