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u/nanodecay 6h ago
Not even Bill Clinton. He's asking for more transparency
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u/Willz093 5h ago
Literally this, even Big Beautiful Bill himself is saying to release the files!
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u/Odinfrost137 5h ago
You know your argument is cooked, when a person from the files say: How about you show my involvement without the redactions?
That's some cold ass confidence. And I can only imagine 2 reasons he said that. 1) He's clean. Or 2) He knows he's cooked and he wants to pull everyone down with him.
Either way, it's a loss for Team Trump.
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u/Willz093 5h ago
I honestly think it’s 1, Clinton is a sex pest, but all the available evidence points to him having nothing to do with the kids. Trump however has a history of being inappropriate with minors.
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u/iamahandsoapmain 4h ago
That's exactly it. I'm guessing Clinton was there for some good old adult freakshows, which let's be honest, we all suspected him of participating long ago. However, maybe he wasn't there for the kids and was genuinely just there for the adults? This does quite logically check out for me given Clinton's notably extensive report of scandalous relationships
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u/Gibodean 2h ago
Although where's the line of age that's ok. I mean 18 is one line, but if Bill was there to screw 18 year olds, that's hardly better than the 16 and 17 year olds especially since it's mainly about the rapey vibes, the coercion, not just the age.
But age-wise, the ages of Bill and Monica was 49 and 22, which isn't great.
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u/AwesomePurplePants 1h ago
Well, in terms of legality the line is 18.
IMO it’s fine to shun Bill for his relationship with Monica, that was messed up. But there’s still a pretty obvious distinction between that and Epstein’s filth.
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u/Skipspik2 5h ago edited 3h ago
He is bubba and there's a video of Drump blowing him off.
Now, I doubt it, though MAGA meltdown would be delightful.(EDIT: I do think that at worst - for lack of better word - "bubba" is a code name for a specific escort intervening late in the party, I doubt it is a male one unless it's a masseur. That wouldn't be "good" per say but less horrible than other options or even whatever happened with those kids)
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u/Notsurehowtoreact 5h ago
Given how tight the Clintons and Trump used to be, it could easily be that Clinton met Epstein through Trump and he knows that if it's all released that will come out.
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u/Sad_Cantaloupe_8162 5h ago
If he is innocent, he wants to be vindicated. If he's not and he wants them released anyway, it shows how much he wants Trump to go down for his actions and is willing to take the fall with him. I like it either way.
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u/GrandSquanchRum 1h ago
Clinton's involvement with Epstein starts from his presidential campaign. The likelihood of Clinton getting away with child rape while under the watch of the secret service is pretty fucking slim.
Trump was friends with Epstein while he was the owner of a Teen Beauty Pageant and has openly bragged about disrespecting their privacy, is well known to have been handsy and inappropriate with contestants, is known to have raped his own wife and be a sex pest, and Epstein recruited from his pageants.
Clinton's a sex pest and fuck him but if I were taking bets on either of them being innocent I know who I'd go all in on.
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u/OtherwiseSprinkles79 5h ago
Knowing full well he will be implicated and potentially prosecuted, he is calling for full transparency to take everyone else down with him. It's the right thing to do.
If Trump was exonerated by the full release of those files and it was truly nothing but Democrats in there, there would have been no redactions and the pages would be plastered all over FoxNews and Newsmax. They are not only covering for Trump, but also his benefactors and the people who continue to like his pockets for their policies to be pushed forward.
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u/kangasplat 5h ago
I very much doubt he ever did anything incriminating. There has been a multitude of testimonies, even from Epstein victims, that he never did anything wrong. No chance they wouldn't have already released the evidence if they had anything on him
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In 5h ago
He knows that he's in there but he knows that Trump is way more involved and with much more serious crimes.
MAGA can't nail him for whatever he's done without also proving that Trump should be prosecuted. So they're trying to have their cake and eat it too by redacting everything Trump related and leaking stuff with just Clinton.
Pathetic
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u/Long-Requirement8372 6h ago
Throw the book at Bill, I say, if there is any real proof against him.
It is likely there is not much to pin on him, though. If there was, the current regime would be shouting it from the rooftops. The fact that they are resorting to just insinuation tells us a lot.
Trump himself, however... It is clear that a huge cover-up has been committed to keep his crimes hidden.
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u/kryonik 5h ago
One of Epstein's victims said she met Clinton and he was a perfect gentleman to her.
That being said, if he's guilty, lock him up.
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u/Cultural-Treacle-680 5h ago
Most of those guys on Epstein’s island were ostensibly nice. They know how to project.
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u/kryonik 5h ago
Cool have any evidence for Clinton or are we just assuming guilt by association? Steven Hawking flew on Epstein's private jet. Is he guilty too?
Again, if there's evidence then put him in jail.
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u/Throwawayz911 4h ago
That photo seems like evidence to me that Clinton knew it was happening and didn't report it at least. The woman in the photo doesn't seem like a child though.
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u/Turbulent_Stick1445 3h ago edited 2h ago
The photo was of Clinton getting a backrub in an airport IIRC. It's entirely possible that at the time Clinton only knew of Epstein as someone in the fund raising circuit and assumed
GiuffreDavies was one of his staff.Again, I dislike Clinton, and if any real evidence comes out that he did anything, throw him in jail, but:
- This is a guy that has been the subject of a smear campaign for over 30 years with the smears including the "murder" of Vince Foster, and somehow the well-connected almost-certainly-knew-Epstein people running these campaigns never noticed that Clinton was raping kids?
- The evidence against him is so light that they had to insert publicly available photos strategically unnecessarily censored to make him look bad? It would only take one legitimate photo or page of a report from a witness describing him assaulting her to destroy his reputation and put him in jail, but there wasn't even that?
- Clinton has spent virtually all of his time since 1992 in the company of the Secret Service, how on Earth would he have been able to do any of these things?
People want to believe Clinton did it because Clinton was an asshole, is partially responsible for the economy being the way it is (he continued rather than reversed Reaganism), because he's widely thought of as a sexual predator because of unproven allegations in the early nineties together with his entirely consensual but dubious affair with an intern - and that's just why those on the left hate him. But the "Likes sex a little too much" and "Rapes Children" things aren't actually something you can connect, that's not how it works.
Again throw the book at him if anyone can find any real evidence, just don't be surprised if there's no such evidence, because he's very, very, very, unlikely to have done it or been complicit. If he was... we'd probably have found out around the time of the impeachment.
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u/Appropriate_Lack_727 2h ago edited 2h ago
Giuffre wasn’t the woman who was giving Clinton a massage. It was Chauntae Davies, who was 22 at the time.
Regarding Clinton himself, the Daily Mail article quoted Davies as saying the former president was a "perfect gentleman." Her comments about Clinton in the article are as follows:
Davies acted as an air stewardess on the flight and described being shocked when Clinton boarded the plane, saying he was "charming and sweet".
Davies, now in her early 40s, said of the massage pictures: "Although the image looks bizarre, President Clinton was a perfect gentleman during the trip and I saw absolutely no foul play involving him."
Why do people keep conflating these things? None of these Epstein woman have accused Bill Clinton of anything.
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u/skate_2 5h ago
One of Epstein's victims said she met Clinton and he was a perfect gentleman to her.
Virginia Giuffre said the same about Trump in her book (I think she unfortunately trusted he would follow through)
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u/kryonik 5h ago
Sure but the only evidence we have for Clinton is he was an adulterer. I need more than that to jump to sex trafficking and pedophilia.
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u/Available_Leather_10 5h ago
“if there is any real proof against him”
This is what dipshits like OneBadDude (if he’s a dipshit and not an outside agitator) read as “leave Bill alone”—they are convinced that both the Clintons are deep into very bad shit thanks to 30 years of Fox News insinuating that.
What those dipshits should answer is: “why is Hillary still not locked up after 5 years of lock her up rallies and why didn’t the autopen pardon her?”
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u/Adorable-Statement47 3h ago
Yeah, that leads into the Clinton conspiracy. Between 4chan greentexts and all the "gate" style conspiracies my understanding is that most people who Pro Trump Anti Clinton believe that the Clintons are a mafioso family. I am pulling information from random shreds of shit I've read over the years, but supposedly it's like what, 30+ deaths the Clintons are tied to.
In the end if there are victims, they don't really seem to like the victims being alive. All the nastiness of the Epstein files doesn't compare to someone who murders, apparently.
Lying, stealing, rug pulls, corruption, and a whole litany of atrocities people can commit, but 30 hypothetical murders is the focus.
Again, I'm not versed in this shit, just recalling what I have read and heard.
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u/Sailor313 5h ago
That’s a good point. I never thought about that. I always assumed the worst about him, too. But you’re probably right. That would be the only thing they’d leak.
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u/Long-Requirement8372 5h ago
Since a long time I go, I have known that Clinton is a ladies' man. Some might fairly even call him worse than that. But to me, it has always seemed like he is 1) strictly into women of legal age and 2) always able to find willing partners to engage with him.
If these assumptions are true, then it is likely he has not really been involved with the crimes of Epstein, Trump and associates, and that his dealings with them have been more on the surface, more or less legal level.
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u/totallynotsquatty 4h ago
How many times have the GOP investigated the Clintons for stuff since the 90s and come away with basically, 'her emails'. Which admittedly is a fuck up, but they've been trying to get them for 30 yrs and haven't been able to find anything. To me that kinda spells it out.
Obligatory 'hang them out to dry' if anything is found, but I don't think there's anything in Epstein files.
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u/Whiteroses7252012 4h ago edited 4h ago
Clinton has always been a gross horndog.
There’s a difference between being a gross horndog and pedophilia, and knowing Trump the way we all do at this point, if Trump had anything on him does anyone honestly believe he’d keep it quiet? Because I don’t. If Barack Obama or Joe Biden were in those files Trump would be selling Tshirts with sections from the unredacted files all over them. One of his mouthpieces would have published the files in a book by now.
I think at this point that we can all assume that whatever’s in the files- and I don’t think we’ll ever find out exactly what it is- it’s bad enough to cause even the most hardcore MAGA to demand Trump’s blood.
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u/Chuckitybye 4h ago
And we've already got faked pictures of him circulating, which indicates to me that there aren't any real ones.
I dgaf who is in the files. Lock them all up
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u/theghostmachine 5h ago
Multiple survivors have publicly said Clinton was nothing but a gentleman, fwiw
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u/Angeret 6h ago
Even Bill Clinton isn't saying "leave Bill Clinton alone".
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u/Charming-Charge-596 4h ago
You're right, he's saying release the files.
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u/Animeking1108 4h ago
He's not going to hell alone.
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u/red286 1h ago
If you read his actual statement, he's not even asking for the full files to be released.
He's asking for all files related to him to be released, because he doesn't want Trump playing the implication game, suggesting that there's far worse pictures that they haven't yet released.
So either Clinton is falling on his sword for no purpose, or he legitimately knows there's nothing criminally implicating for him in there.
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u/RareAnxiety2 4h ago
Only republicans are asking to leave Bill Clinton alone, curious
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u/GentlemenBehold 3h ago
MAGA is defending Clinton now, lol. They’re all like “so what if Trump and Clinton had sexy with young women”. Of course they use “women” instead of “girls” despite the evidence proving otherwise.
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u/koknesis 6h ago
lmao, of course the maga cultists are projecting their own worldview. they cannot comprehend "the other side" not blindly defending their political elite because that is how they operate themselves.
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u/cityshepherd 5h ago
This is really important to understand. They are genuinely not capable of understanding other people not basing all their decisions on following the ghoul they worship (or even understanding that many people in fact don’t worship anyone).
It’s the same flavor as those people that say “atheists cannot live morally because they can’t possibly have morals without following the Bible”. They need their direction regarding what’s good/bad to come from an outside source because they cannot comprehend the simple concept of being able to understand “this hurts people / makes people feel bad so I maybe I shouldn’t do it, because I don’t want to hurt others or make them feel bad”.
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u/PizzaPieInMyEye 5h ago
You could have stopped at "They are genuinely not capable of understanding other people", and the statement would still be true. They do not want to understand other people, they just want more mindless drones to walk beside so they don't feel so bad for being led around the nostrils their whole lives without question.
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u/mikende51 5h ago
Even Bill Clinton isn't calling for Bill Clinton to be left alone. He's telling the DOJ to release all the files.
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u/emccm 6h ago
Even Bill Clinton is calling did the full release. And Trump is defending him. lol.
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u/Kriss3d 6h ago
I'm not even an American. But how about just showing everyone involved and prosecute anyone that there's evidence against?
Because anything less is protecting the predators, not the victims.
Your move GoP...
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u/BregoTheConqueror 5h ago
GOP stands for Gross old perverts they’re protecting exactly who they intended.
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u/intashu 4h ago
This is the viewpoint I've seen from EVERYBODY who isn't Maga.
It's really strange to me. I don't know anybody who's willing to stand behind or defend a single democrat if they're on the list. Investigate them all, prosecute thoes found guilty.
But MAGA will bend over backwards to ignore and defend Trump, and ignore the really obvious cover up. An innocent person doesn't pay hundreds of FBI agents to scrub their name from all the documents.
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u/sobrique 3h ago
Yeah, this is it. There's a lot of people who I think are decent people, but I've been wrong before, and I'll be wrong again.
So ... let's have a trial and find out. And if they turn out to not be 'decent people' and I'm wrong... well, sure. Off to prison with them.
Only a fool refuses to change their mind in the light of new information.
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u/mrhemisphere 6h ago
Clinton, a known scumbag, doesn't have the authority to start WW3 by inciting Iran via Venezuela
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u/Kevundoe 5h ago
I think it would be a bigger provocation of Iran if they decided to bomb Iran directly….. oh wait…
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u/SingleNegotiation656 5h ago
Wow, I hope he isn't guilty. What will I do with my Bill Clinton hat, Bill Clinton shoes, Bill Clinton Bible, Bill Clinton flag, and my 176 Bill Clinton bumper stickers now?
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u/LonelyContext 1h ago
… oh and Bill Clinton watch, crypto, clothes oh and that time I had a Bill Clinton themed wedding.
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u/Remy-Raven-890 6h ago
I feel like they are projecting so hard that you could point them at a wall and use them to show movies.
They want soooo bad to believe Dems will defend Clinton or Obama with the save fervor that they defend Trump
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u/Purpslicle 2h ago
They need democrats to defend Clinton, so they are justified defending Trump.
Otherwise they're the only ones defending pedophiles.
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u/arriesgado 5h ago
Not even Bill Clinton is saying leave Clinton alone. He said release all the files as the law requires.
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u/Deathbydecay 5h ago
If I voted for a pedophile and it later came out he was a pedophile id want him locked up, not double down.
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u/SpellslutterSprite 6h ago
Oh, but I thought the Epstein files were a Democrat hoax, anyway?
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u/FoogYllis 5h ago
maga will always twist themselves into knots with all their insane arguments. However it could be so simple: make our country follow the rule of law and release the unredacted and complete Epstein files and let everyone that should face criminal consequences face the consequences.
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u/lukaron 5h ago
They’re so terrible at whataboutism they had to invent their own little fantasy to point at and shout “what about.”
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u/fluffygryphon 4h ago
If you got viewers too lazy to fact check you, you can say whatever the fuck you want and it's always true!
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u/da2Pakaveli 5h ago
Mate even Bill Clinton ain't calling to leave Bill Clinton alone. He just called for full release of the files.
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u/sktgamerdudejr 5h ago
Bill Clinton didn’t even ask to be left alone lmao
He said release what you got.
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u/uknownix 5h ago
The irony is that Clinton has asked to release them all, unredacted; he knows he's fine.
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u/JustinKase_Too 5h ago
Always projection with the red hats.
Anyone who did something wrong should be prosecuted - doesn't matter who it is.
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u/cheebamech 5h ago
I voted for him twice and do not give a fuck if he spends the remainder of his life in prison if evidence of crimes come to light; release all the Trumpstein files now
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u/No-Acanthisitta7930 5h ago
Yeah see that's the difference. We don't actually circle the wagons around our bad apples. If they did something illegal, by all means, throw the book at em. MAGA 100% cannot say the same thing, making them objectively on the wrong side of history in this regard.
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u/nvrmndtheruins 4h ago
They have to make up things "the left" is mad about bc they can't cope with being the actual bad guys
Y'all went on for YEARS about a child abuse conspiracy at the highest levels. You were right, but your guy is at the center of it.
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u/DrMeatBomb 5h ago
Fascists when the facts that they support a pdf and every sanctimonious word out of their mouths is an inversion of the truth are no longer deniable
B-but you guys like Bill Clinton, right? Cmon guys please it has to be both sides please play along!
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u/Ippherita 5h ago
Even Bill Clinton is asking for the full release of the files
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5660085-clinton-epstein-files-transparency/
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u/that_gu9_ 5h ago
As a left wing woke lunatic, I would like all rapists to be convicted of rape. Not just orange ones.
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u/snoosh00 5h ago
Not only that, the people, including bill Clintons people, want the full files released.
If "the right" wants to take out Clinton, they're gonna need to sacrifice their orange god.
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u/BastCity 6h ago
Invading Greenland and committing international piracy to own the libs distract from the Pedo President make America great again!
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u/skoltroll 5h ago
MAGA wanted this.
MAGA continues to point away from Trump.
Get fucked, MAGA.
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u/Nice_Block 5h ago
Republicans won the war on education. We’re seeing the spoils of their victory happening in real time, everyday.
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u/robotteeth 5h ago
I haven’t seen even one person defend Billy boy except the photo that was him and MJ and the women in the photo that were actually there were correcting misinformation about it, if that counts as defending
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u/FblthpLives 4h ago
Even Bill Clinton's official response was "release everything, even if I am in the files."
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u/lilBalzac 4h ago
Including Bill himself, who has forcefully called for everything to be released rather than any further deflecting.
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u/herewegoinvt 2h ago
I haven't heard anyone push back on releasing the files because Bill Clinton might be in them, including Bill Clinton's spokesman https://x.com/angelurena/status/2003166064969154839
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u/queasycockles 2h ago
Always with the projection.
No one on the left is crying about Clinton. We're all going 'hey, if he was part of it, he can swing too.'
But given his confidence and insistence on the whole lot being released, it looks like he probably wasn't anyway.
Still, if it turns out he was, I'm not losing any fucking sleep because I don't worship the guy.
They just cannot fathom people not doing what they do and blindly worshipping 'their guy'.
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u/Alarmed-Animal7575 5h ago
This talking point by right wingers is one of the most clueless of recent years, and it has a lot of competition. There is only one political party trying to obstruct release of the Epstein file to protect someone named in it, and it’s not the Dems.
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u/knights816 5h ago
I need to at least see these bot posts about leaving bill Clinton alone before I go around believing they exist
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u/ImperfectAuthentic 5h ago
They're desperately trying to make this the narrative, they've all gotten the same marching orders.
Just who the fuck cares about Clinton, we all know he was a dirty old bastard since Lewinsky in the late 90s
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u/Albireookami 5h ago
Clinton isn't even deflecting and wants all the material with his name released, man must really be clean to make such a convicted statement, wonder why trump won't do the same...
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u/SLAMALAMADINGGDONG23 5h ago
Actually, someone IS calling for him to be left alone.
Donald Trump. Yes, really.
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u/TheBlackDemon1996 5h ago
The only things I know about Bill Clinton is he was in a few Simpsons and Family Guy episodes, he was mentioned in the opening to Animaniacs, and the Monica Lewinsky thing. Why would I care if he was in the Epstein Files?
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u/Clever_Username_666 4h ago
Wow, she really murdered him with those words. (To be fair, this sub's name is so silly and overdramatic that pretty much nothing posted here will actually live up to it)
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u/texas1982 4h ago
I'd like everything released. Many of the photos of Clinton are misleading and there is no evidence to show anything nefarious is happening in many of them.
The DOJ is still deleting photos of Trump though.
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u/Kindly-Ad-5071 4h ago
It's not like we've been saying "fuck 'em both" for months lol.
But how would cuckservatives know that, they live in their own bubble. Shocking, sad.
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u/Bombadier83 4h ago
False! Donald Trump has made several statements saying that the pictures of bill clinton shouldn’t be seen as an indication of wrong doing.
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u/KEMSATOFFICIAL 3h ago
They literally can’t imagine other people not being like them. They genuinely think everyone is like them.
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u/GreyerGrey 2h ago
It doesn't even seem like the Clintons are saying leave Bill alone. Which... is weird.
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u/CaseFace5 2h ago
The funniest thing about MAGA people is them thinking democrats are as much of a cult as they are. Democrats hate Democrats just as much as they hate Republicans.
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u/mystermee 2h ago
They hope releasing it incrementally will take the air out of it and people will get bored of talking about it. It’s important the attention never lets up on this story.
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u/ChipChimney 2h ago
Now I have to throw away my Bill Clinton hat, my Bill Clinton flags, my Bill Clinton bumper stickers, my Bill Clinton bible, my Bill Clinton…. Oh wait, I don’t have any of that shit because I’m not in a cult.
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u/IronCorvus 2h ago
Every single place I look, it's magats thinking anyone gives a shit about Clinton. Clinton is literally implicating himself to show how much of a bitch this entire administration is. It's not Dems verse Republicans. It's everyone vs MAGA.
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u/Magnon 6h ago
Maga winning imaginary arguments to try to sidestep the trump coverup: